Respect… a two-way street

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Dear Joyce,

I read your post (below) this morning and I am compelled to address your observations therein:

“I’ve always been under the impression that members of the military were bound to respect their leaders. Open disrespect for the current commander in chief by members of the military, regardless  of personal convictions towards him, seem to me to be quite inappropriate and downright rude.”

First I would ask your to send me the sourced examples of “… Open disrespect for the current commander in chief by members of the military…..” that you mention. So until you do, we must set that issue aside.

Members of the armed forces are obligated by military law and their sworn oaths to follow all the lawful orders of their superiors through the military, the Department of Defense and ultimately the President in his Constitutional capacity as Commander-in-Chief.

In addition, service members are to show proper respect at all times for their commanders and those lower in rank as well…. the “respect” you are apparently concerned about is expected and shown for the rank, the uniform, the commanding position… not for the individual. In other words, you don’t pick and choose which officer you like or admire to show respect… the old adage is that “you salute the rank, not the man”; it is the essence of the military “chain of command”.

That includes the Commander-in-Chief as well.

fallujah-battle-reutersAt this juncture I must say that I never heard your concerns about “disrespect” during the Bush administration…. I assume there is a reason, because more disrespect was heaped on President Bush than most  presidents in the last 50 years.

Service members have been disciplined, “fired”, fined, demoted and even discharged for violating the regulations by making political speeches or statements in uniform or in publicly criticizing the decision or action of his or her superiors.

Having addressed the above we are must consider “respect” a two way street… and respect, as we all know… must be earned. In other words, I’ll follow your orders because I swore an oath… but that doesn’t mean that I don’t think that you are the most incompetent, cowardly jackass in the entire military—I just cannot show it.

Again, the rank, not the person.

As for Obama, who has already secured his place is history as the worst president in American history, is universally despised by the military and veteran community because we see examples everyday in every way that he  detests  the military, does not care about the dead, wounded or disabled  and is actively attacking our benefits as retirees and veterans.

We believe he has gravely damaged our Nation.

Having been medically retired from the military, as a citizen I do not have to respect this narcissistic, affirmative action temp worker who was forced on the military by Americans voters who are completely ignorant of the military…. as indicated by one of your Facebook friends who commented on this topic — “What happened?”

VA delaysYes… what indeed.

The next time you are deeply concerned about “rudeness” and the proper respect… why not ask a veteran?  Drop by a military or VA hospital… they’ll give you an earful about respect and the CnC, trust me.

Most presidents, especially this frat boy, have zero military experience, understanding or interest , yet by virtue of winning an election due to the color of his skin… Obama has the power to send us to fight and die in God-forsaken, Third-World s**t holes because he thinks it’s a good idea.

Over 75% of the dead in Afghanistan have killed under Obama’s command.

Remember… you vote with a pencil or a computer; we vote with our lives.

So, I’d like to see some “respect” coming back our way.

So, please send the examples of “disrespect” for POTUS “by the military” you’ve found as soon as possible, because such actions are punishable under military law and that is against military regulations.

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About Gary Alexander

Volunteer coordinator for veterans support network in North Texas. Now retired from his private psychotherapy practice, I specialized in the diagnosis and treatment posttraumatic stress, working with victim assistance programs, veterans and the Veterans Administration for over 20 years. After being wounded in action in Vietnam, I was medically retired from the Marine Corps and know first hand many of the readjustment difficulties and psychological stresses experienced by today's OIF and OEF veterans. I am available, at minimal cost, to speak at your functions on several subjects including veterans issues, Vietnam, the Medal of Honor, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and critical incident debriefings.
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8 Responses to Respect… a two-way street

  1. Hoot R. Gibson says:

    No Respect is Due this Anti-American, Kenyan Born, Marxist….Joyce is a fool or an Obama Supporter, or likely both. I wouldn’t piss on his flaming body if the SOB was on fire sceaming for someone to put it out!

    “Hoot” R. Gibson
    14th SPS Nha Trang, RVN, 1969
    377th SPS Tan Son Nhut(Saigon) RVN, 1970

    • Dear Joyce,
      You didn’t offend me directly, however by not providing proof of your allegations — that “military people” are openly disrespectful to POTUS — you slandered the entire military/veteran community. And by doing so, you are guilty of exactly what you accused “Hoot” of: “To label anyone without knowing them or their agenda definitely shows your ignorance.”

      As someone who has served my country and seen my friends and classmates die in combat, I will never allow the military or veterans be slandered in my presence, and considering we know one another and had some history, trust me I was not “rude”…. I simply called you on your error and asked you to prove your allegations.
      And you still have not, so I must not only conclude that you made the entire thing up…. and now my question is why would you do so?

      As far as being critical of the President, it is absolutely proper for a all citizens to comment and approve or disapprove of what any public servant says or does especially the President! The First Amendment guarantees our freedom of speech and The Constitution protects that speech… which every veteran has sworn to protect with his life.

      Your perhaps ill-thought out allegation therefore libels those who have died defending your very freedom and security.
      The return fire directed at your FB comments is proof that you indeed “touched a nerve”… one that we take very seriously; and I did not “attack” you, I merely asked you to prove you allegation.

      Since you have not, it would be appropriate to apologize for your baseless accusations in the same forum you attacked and slandered us.


  2. Joyce says:

    Well I am sorry to have offended you Gary; I was not aware that you could see my posts as supposedly they are only accessible to my family and very close friends; I have known you for many years but we have not been “close” for any of that time. I have received several posts lately forwarded by current close military members that I feel are rude and disrespectful, mainly because, as you state, you are bound to respect the position, not necessarily the man. I personally am not impressed with the current President’s agenda, however, he is our President and I don’t post personal public comments for or against him because he is our President. (The rank, not the man, and I have never served in the military yet I understand the duty …)

    As far as your concern with the comment about the friend who asked what happened, she is very much in favor of this President. As you can see, I did not reply to her, as I felt it was none of her business, as it is none of yours.

    To Hoot, above, “methinks thou do protest too much.” To label anyone without knowing them or their agenda definitely shows your ignorance.

    • I agree with most of what you said. I think it’s absurd to tell people you have never met, and to generalize that line of thinking of people you don’t know and don’t associate with as if you are some brilliant sociological and psychoanalytical savant. It’s ridiculous! That is exactly how this blogger is acting.

      “Like all libs Steve cannot debate an issue–any issue–in the straightforward;” That’s from another blog where he attacks someone he knew. He has made it very clear that he is unable and unwilling to debate liberals based on what he must consider brilliant insights that justify such generalizations. Even if he was right and he was that insightful, he’d be a fool for continuing to waste energy preaching to the choir about how awful liberals are and patting his readers on the back for calling Obama a Kenyan-born MARXIST.

      In my personal, anecdotal experience I haven’t met a single person whomhas made those claims and claims about having read Marx that can actually back it up. Especially if it’s a face-to-face debate where they can’t use Google-fu. Kenyan-born only indicates how little these specific people are worth listening to. Generalizing millions of people is just another nail in the coffin. Claiming respect is a two-way street while showing none yourself and expecting it on the other side of the street is some truly self-entitled double-standard bullshit.

      Anyway, have an awesome life! 😉

      • Here’s a tip sonnny boy…. find an editor to help you get your thoughts together and come back and try it again; both these posts are word salad adrift in a sea of confusion.

        And BTW… the fact your Daddy served well and honorably hasn’t a damned thing to do with you; the first sign of an unaccomplished wannabe: leeching off others accomplishments in an effort to say something about themselves.

        Your Dad may have “street cred”, but you got nothin’.

  3. Centurion says:

    There are two oaths of office for military members. One for enlisted men and the other for officers. Our nation’s founders structured the organizations of government and the military based on the principal of checks and balances.

    Having served as enlisted, NCO, and a commissioned officer, this is what I observed. Enlisted men do swear to uphold all lawful orders of the superiors, but the oath of officers is slightly different as to who or what they obey. Nevertheless, there are no laws demanding respect. Respect is earned.

    Officers do not swear to obey the president, but the U.S. Constitution. This administration has discussed changing the oaths after the decorated Col. Terry Lakin opposed what he felt was an unconstitutional order by the president. Col. Lakin was denied a constitutional defense, stripped of rank and pensions, and sent to Ft. Leavenworth penitentiary.

    Oath of Officers:
    I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to obey lawful orders.

    Under the organization of these United States, every office and branch is held in check by another. If one violates the Constitution, it is the duty of the other or the principle of “the lesser magistrate” to hold the offender in check. Even juries can nullify unjust laws by declaring the charged as not guilty. States can nullify unconstitutional federal “laws,” which is happening more today. The people are the final line of defense.

    It is the duty of every soldier, enlisted and commissioned officer, to only obey lawful orders. Under the UCMJ, soldiers are to abide by written Army regulations, the nation’s laws of war, and the lawful orders of his superiors. It is an officer’s duty to protect his men from unconstitutional and unlawful orders. That means being willing to jump on a hand grenade of one’s career or even life if necessary.

    In the end, it is the duty of every citizen and soldier to uphold, support, and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign AND domestic. The Constitution is the law of the land, not the misguided orders of unlawful men. It is the duty of every American to discern the truth.

  4. “Like all libs Steve cannot debate an issue–any issue–in the straightforward;”

    That’s from another article of yours. You say respect is a two-way street. You claim to be open for debate. Yet you clearly establish that you do not respect “the libs” and you package all of us together as inconsolable, or unwilling to compromise as you yourself do the very same thing. Yet without knowing me or any of my liberal friends or family, you show us disrespect by generalizing and throwing insults at millions of people. As if you truly have that kind of insight. As if anyone does. Very egotistical of you, sir…

    The irony seems to be lost on you, or you just don’t care about your hypocrisy. Only the hypocrisy of those you disagree with. You sure spend a lot of time generalizing and bashing liberals for a man who claims to be able to debate issues “in the straightforward.” There is nothing straightforward about saying what you did. It certainly applies to all the articles I’ve seen from you. Anyone who generalizes millions of people is obtuse. Anyone who generalizes millions of people and blogs about how unfair and ridiculous it is for liberals to generalize you and claiming respect goes to ways while showing none yourself is an obtuse hypocrite.

    Furthermore if all of us think and feel and are justifiably patronized by you, and you really do have such deep insights into my “liberal mind,” spending all of this time bashing us while refusing to open yourself up to any possibilities that we’d have something valid to say is a strong indicator of someone whom is completely disingenuous on this very complex subject of political and social polarization. Ironically I’d bet there are at least a half-dozen issues that anyone in a calm, civil, no generalizing, no patronizing, no intentional bullshit or lies nonsense, could find to agree with each other on. Being stuck in the state of mind you are in clearly will yield no results. I doubt you’re looking for any. You’re a great example of a confirmation-bias-based blogger.

    I’d bet money that if someone had said what you said but was a liberal instead of your conservative and libertarian-leaning politics you’d be calling them out as well.

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